The fairways where I play are very firm and I get a fair amount of roll. What was the actual value of swing speed group 105 mph+, since it shows 0%. Standard 60 lob wedges meanwhile carry 95 to 105 yards on average. Angle of attack, club speed, path, club face. DShawn Johnson However the pros have what is called a stock yardage for their irons, which equates essentially to the average distance they will hit a full shot with each iron swinging normally. Try a par 3 course (18 holes) of any length and compare your results to your handicap. Knowing what club to hit based on distance and the safest place to aim based on dispersion tendencies will undoubtedly benefit the golfer. I'm 6'3, in pretty good shape and played baseball my entire life. The trend right now with wedge play for all manufacturers is lowering the ball flight on the full shots. 398 were here. Shaft: Fujikura Atmos Tour Spec Blue 7 X, 3-wood: Callaway Rogue ST Max (15 degrees) Dont think they ever release that stuff. The facts are in front of us at instructors, now we must help convey your points to the masses. People that dwell on the fact that other people like to know their distances are funny. yfvp ~ AnFVS0Y")Mb@3PNm[GVI=! Honestly many guys in this small % sort of make every other golfer feel like that . Obviously not. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ball Speed - 185 mph[/background][/size][/color] Copyright 2020 GolfWRX Holdings, LLC. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Clubhead Speed - 125[/background][/size][/color] Upgraded core technology takes tee-to-green performance to the next level, New face technologies provide more forgiveness and spin consistency, Designed for golfers with more moderate swing speeds, horny mature is having great time in yttaly's casting, dark haired beauty with big natural boobs" jerk off challenge, she knows how to jump up and down on thick cock, 46, 48, 50, 52, 54, 56, 58, 60, 62. I play from the whites if it is more of a difficult or bigger course. I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. Close suggestions Search Search Search Search Driver: Cobra Amp Cell Pro (8.5 degrees) These high-level numbers of course dont always tell the whole story as the pros like us are faced with an infinite variety of golf shots which dont always mean they are hitting each club as far as they possibly can for every shot. The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. I almost just quit playing golf because when I started 4 years ago I was playing golf with two people most of the time that were in the 1% of AMAs . I shared the dispersion plot with our local club committee who are thinking of installing trackman after redeveloping several holes, and was asked questions along these lines: 1. I hit a green today which was 163 so pulled a 6 iron landed on back part of the green 10 yds past the flag. I genuinely believe Vokeys make me a better bunker player, the SM8s changed my bunker game and these are just as good. Justin credits his success on the PGA TOUR to a childhood full of direction, support, and love. It's the short game. [/quote] The previous table looked at the approach distance the AMA will have based on hole length and average drive distance. I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. I was advised to switched to the 8 bounce as my impact is shallower than when I was previously fitted for my SM8s. It's not the length that makes a pro. Hang Time 5.8 Trackman stats obviously don't mean that much either. Crazy thing is I hit my 3 wood off the tee about 250 yards. How many average golfers drive the ball 250 yards and keep it in the fairway? Is it around 25-35% less than the AMA group? When you watch the PGA Tour or any major championship on TV it is hard not to notice how far pro golfers hit the ball. The TrackMan Combine data collected from over 10,000 golfers of all levels from around the world will be used to analyze his performance in hopes of better understanding where improvement(s) can be made. The handicap system is equally misleading as the vast amount of amateur golfers dont have a handicap, and if they did, they would be 36.4. Add That Little Extra Limited also participates in other affiliate programs with FlexOffers, CJ, Svorn and other sites and is compensated for referring traffic and business to these companies (again at no cost to you). The challenge is, improving your distance is a slow and arduous process. [/quote] If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. By adding 10 yards to every shot hit by the AMA from 160 yards, the percentage of shots that would hit the green increases from 38.5% to 44.0% and the average distance from the target decreases from 71.8 feet to 60.6 feet. Ha, okay. For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. [/quote] Graeme started playing golf when he was only 4 years old and has loved the game ever since. Learn how your comment data is processed. I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. It makes the head look a little rounder, but Vokey has done a great job of disguising this weight distribution at address. Im a baseball coach who plays golf when I can. Check out the actual averages from the PGA Tour for the entire year: Now this is not to say that a tour player cant ramp it up another gear if they felt like showing off. The AMA is far from efficient with his driver. The best distance comparison we have for those clubs is therefore the carry distance. I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. He is traditional in what he wants the wedge to look like. The LDA guys can't hang with the short games and are wildly sporadic with their tee shots, hence why they get multiple tries. Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW Blue 75 TX, Hybrid: Titleist TSi2 (21 degrees) I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. F rom the comfort of your sofa or if youre lucky, alongside the ropes each major championship gives you a chance to see the biggest hitters in the world unsheathe their drivers and swing away. Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. I think you wish you hit it further. This is really intersting reading and I could not agree more with the finding your distance principal. I can hit the ball a long ways, that doesn't make me full of bs. I am a 35 year old AMA at a 15. Scotty Cameron SS Newport Beach w/ UST Frequency Filter and Rosemark Thorn 1.52 grip. The plan is to include this type of information within TrackMan University in the future, but that is likely many months away at this point. You've given me a good laugh for two days now. [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364360280' post='6704435'] Once again Vokey customise their wedges even in the grooves. show the real time hit - then after the shot replay it with the numbers/tracer. I am writing a dissertation at university and was wondering how you got all your data. If you are a right handed player the slice and above numbers could be due to a heel strike. Shafts: True Temper Project X PXi, Wedges: Cobra Trusty Rusty (50, 55), Tour Trusty (60) I know I hit the ball a long way though. Other top articles related to this topic: Graeme Hay is the owner of GolfingFocus.com. Official driving distance is only measured on two holes per round, which means you might get 50-60 shots in a year. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. Club head speed is around 90 MPH giving me a distance of 214 yrds. [quote name='eddie_max' timestamp='1364438260' post='6711367'] For example, based on the average club speed of the AMA (93.4 mph) he should be able to hit his driver 255 yards (assuming certain ground conditions). [/quote] Driver: Charles Kelley whats in the bag accurate as of the Pebble Beach Pro-Am. I remember they had the analysis of his 8 iron that he hit at firestone from like 200+ out in a golf digest or something a couple years ago don't remember any of the numbers unfortunately tho, M2, maybe He was also the beneficiary of a grant that afforded him the opportunity to travel and pursue his junior golf career. With all the new technology that is now available in Drivers since this article came out, do you plan on updating the information. Please include a self-addressed envelope with prepaid postage for return. And a good part of the reason for that is the average golfer often watches with wonder as the best players on the PGA GolfingFocus.com was created simply as a place to allow us to try and find answers to common golfing questions asked, and problems faced, by all standards of golfer. You could take my woods and irons and pair it with Phil's wedge play and Stricker's putter and I'd be an average PGA tour player. Mizuno Pro 225 5-GW PX IO The AMA has a reported handicap of 14 or 15. Well I certainly feel hood about how I played when i did. If I have a front pin with a hard green, I would go at it harder with the shorter club, maybe a 150 yard pitching wedge. Congratulations to Justin Thomas, winning the CJ Cup! For more Youd be correct and that is why its always best to get fitted and discuss purchases with your pro. Have a look at his driver and 6 iron numbers below: Driver 6 Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. The wedge glided through the turf and nipped the ball at impact, resulting in reliable soft strikes. For 6-irons the average is 188 yards, for 7-irons it is 177 yards and 8-irons, 9-irons and pitching wedges go 164, 153 and 141 yards respectively. It's not the length that makes a pro. My average club separation is about 15 yards. By Handicap, Age & Swingspeed, Should Your Driver Match Your Woods? Very interesting but sort of depressing article. I'll pass. A former tour pro told me he hit a tree branch off the tee that knocked his ball down, and it affected his average for the whole year by 15 yards. Stay up to date and receive free notifications of new posts by email. Their drives seem to always go miles and I dont know about you but Im always checking myself to think whether I indeed heard the commentator correctly that they are actually hitting that high an iron for that 200+ yard approach shot. I bet a lot of my tee shots find the rough though. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] When you take the wedge out of the bag you notice the fuller toe, and there is more material behind the head. I hit the same. Can crush it further by trap drawing it really stepping on it. Flexibility, speed, and knowing how to transfer energy the most effi In truth, the vast majority of golfers are playing from tees that are too long based on their club speed and skill level. Justin Thomas and Excel Sports Management are not responsible for lost, stolen or damaged items. Your ball speed is a little low which could indicate an off-center strike. Spin: 3811. Dear Claeys, We highly recommend you to visit a TrackMan coach or fitter close to you, as there are many individual aspects to your question. wrong? #TeamTrackMan The main part of the fitting was when I moved onto the chipping green and started to hit bunker shots - these clubs just got better and better, theyre so secure in strike and very reliable. But if you take the averages over a season you are going to get more than a good idea of how far the pros are hitting each club. Going back to Torrey Pines South, that is somewhere between the Green and White tees. To find a TrackMan Certified coach, please see our locator: trackmangolf.com/locator. Its Not About the Equipment. The "you have to be a tour player to hit a long way" mentality is comical to say the least. Im a 9 handicap wanting to get into the low single digits. Once AMA understands the likely outcomes for various shots, then he can most effectively implement course strategy for the benefit of improving his golf performance. At just 29-years old, he can lay claim to 2 Major victories, a FedEx Cup Championship, PLAYERS Championship and a PGA TOUR Player of the Year Award. The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. pleased to hear you are enjoying it now though. There is a very obvious relationship between these two variables. Now that you guys have more and more data from the combine tests are you going to adjust the hcap chart. 1700 Broadway, Floor 29, New York, NY 10019, 2020 Justin Thomas. It is all about the short game I guess what Im saying is if you dont hit the ball straight consistently and you dont make good, clean contact consistently, it would be silly to focus on things like swing speed/distance. What about this awesome drive from Dustin Johnson in Hawaii that everyone was talking about: So the drive went 433 yards. Im 65 years old. I'm not going to wear my body down trying to swing that club. I know I hit the ball a long way though. me too! On average PGA pros hit a 3-iron a carry distance the distance from strike to point of ground impact of 217 yards. Most golfers I know are happy to drive the ball 200 yards and keep it in the fairway. 712u 3 [/quote] In other words the distance from where they hit the ball to the point of impact on the ground. Its about 20% less when comparing PGA vs LPGA. FULL GUIDE By Age, Handicap etc. 46 to 54 degree heads have narrower and deeper grooves as these are used more in fuller shots with greater swing/ball speed. How Often Do Pros Hit Driver? I cant hide my excitement and love for a Vokey wedge and it doesnt change on these. [/quote] By The longest player hits it 320 yards Cobra Radspeed 5W RDX Blue, Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4i Tour AD DI The difference in a good amateur player and a touring professional is typically going to be short game, endurance, and that space between the ears. Carry Distance 302.9 [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364403832' post='6707431'] With a collection of prestigious wins, including the 2017 FedExCup, 2017 PGA Championship, 2021 PLAYERS and 2022 PGA Championship, Justin Thomas is known to many as a celebrated professional on the PGA TOUR. I think the average student that I ask tells me that a tour player hits a 6 iron 220 yards. Ball Speed- 176.38 average, 179.45 high There he became one of the storied programs most decorated athletes being named Phil Mickelson Freshman of the Year, Jack Nicklaus Player of the Year, the Haskins Award Winner as the most outstanding player in collegiate and amateur golf, and capped his collegiate career by helping the Crimson Tide win their first National Championship in 2013. The following graph shows a plot of the AMAs shots from 160 yards. Its important to know what grass you play, what course you play (be it links or parkland) and how you deliver the club at impact (steep or shallow). There is nothing worse than getting the club stuck in the ground at impact. Items sent in without return postage will not be returned. i suggested he play white from the start and he is happy. As you can guess my improvement has now become dependent on driver efficiency and distance. Our TrackMan Combine database would contain the answer to those questions, but it would require significant work to pull that information out. [b]Tiger Woods[/b] Trackman is pretty interesting, obviously path and angle of attack change depending on the shot your trying to shape. It is not to suggest that a golfer should simply play a shorter course to shoot better scores, but that a golfer should play a course length that is appropriate. But he picked up 25 yards for elevation, 25 for wind, and another 45 for extra roll. Do you suppose my distance is bs? On top of that it drew me feeling like unless I can hit it 250 every time and at least shoot in the low 90s from the Blue I might as well just give golf up. Clear editor. Imagine being on the practice ground with Justin Thomas or Nelly Korda week in week out. But i attribute most of that to playing with a best friend who was a scratch golfer and showed me theres no need to take longer than 2 hours to play 18 holes. I know his swing speed with driver is up around 120mph but thats all they seem to show on tv. Oddly, I bet you find that you do NOT score significantly better than your handicap even though the distances are short. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] Golf critics talk about technology making golf courses obsolete because of distance, but what they fail to clarify is that this only pertains to 0.1% of the golfing population. Thanks for the post. The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. Justin came from 7 strokes back to start the final round at the 2022 PGA Championship which ties the largest final round comeback in PGA Championship history. [/color] For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. Titleist fitting last summer at my home course. [/quote] They were measured with GPS. What a great read with invaluable data and information. The consistency of impact through the sand was staggering, I seemed to take the exact same amount of sand and impact location every time. Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide (2021). Acting upon real data, not opinion, takes a giant step in that direction. Desired launch angle, spin rates change based on driver speed. All too many golfers go to the course and hit every shot in the hope its the best shot theyve ever hit. You could take my woods and irons and pair it with Phil's wedge play and Stricker's putter and I'd be an average PGA tour player. 5 Testers Needed! I seem to have the same speed as pro women and they are playing the same distances that I am but scoring way way lower with a game built from precision over speed. x]I]618nI9^R? [/color] <>stream WebThis is Justin Thomas TrackMan Numbers How does yours Compare? X-Forged UT (#3- 21)- DG X700 Thomas breakout season came in 2016-17 with five of his PGA TOUR wins, including the PGA Championship, 12 top 10 finishes and, ultimately, the FedEx Championship. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] See how The Honda Classic Justin - Michael Cooney Golf [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364403832' post='6707431'] As the previous poster said Im 43 so wont be Bubba Watson anytime soon. Launch- 11.28, 9.71 low, 12.87 high But if you can hit it 275 on your home muni track, that is at least 290 on a tour track with manicured fairways and perfect level tee boxes to hit from. I also shot 86. And when it comes to how far Tiger Woods, arguably the greatest iron player of all time, hits his irons? Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. However, it is more the fact that golfers are playing courses that are too long relative to club speed and skill level. Thanks for posting. Thanks to this impressive article, they will help more and more those who want to play golf. Circa62, Tiger also ranks 125th on tour in total driving efficiency. Milled grooves - SM9 sees Titleist use a new saw to cut their grooves, instead of stamping them onto the face. Ball Speed 176.38 They think that a drives are always over 320, which they are not not even close. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ratio - 1.48[/background][/size][/color] I've seen plenty of tour pros hit balls & played with many good golfers. Can i play a pro v1, or a harder ball I wont more distance KIND regards Rene Claeys Ren. This data further confirms the need for most golfers to aim towards the center of the green on all approach shots. Its important to turn your body to get that extra speed. TrackMan [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 95 X Hybrid, Irons: Titleist T100 (3-9) As a whole PGA pros hit their pitching wedge an average carry distance of 141 yards. What is evident is you obviously don't play with good amateur players. No question - 100%. Through such initiatives as the Justin Thomas Youth of the Year Leadership Academy with the Boys & Girls Club of Kentuckiana, USA Cares and the First Tee, Justin is committed to showing compassion, displaying kindness, and making a difference in the world. I dont want my Vokeys to look different to the past designs, I barely want them to perform differently either as you want reliability around the greens. I'm not on here to impress anyone with my driving distance but that doesn't mean I didn't hit it that far. Maybe 126 or 127. it would be great to see this information on a broadcast on a couple of hole locations - combined with protracer. I also play at a local par 3 course which holds the junior par 3 championship and I have shot 7 under around the par 3 course. WebCongratulations to Justin Thomas with his latest victory at the Dell Technologies Championship, well played! As you can see, 45% have a club speed between 91 and 100 mph., The AMA is far from efficient with his driver. Justins family and friends also know him as a kindhearted young man who goes out of his way to give back. WebJustin Thomas TrackMan Numbers Congratulations to Justin Thomas with his latest victory at the Dell Technologies Championship, well played! [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Launch Angle - 11*[/background][/size][/color] G.O.A.T.? Trap draw? That's not Justin, that's Johnny. The LDA guys can't hang with the short games and are wildly sporadic with their tee shots, hence why they get multiple tries. TrackMan - Did you see Justin Thomas' TrackMan numbers? . I think you wish you hit it further. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Spin Rate - 2200 rpm[/background][/size][/color] My SM8 wedges are a few years old and have played over the recommended 75 rounds. A Step by Step Guide, Acceleration Graph of Hips, Chest, Arms, and Clubhead in a Pro Golf Swing. Driver: Titleist TSi3 (10 degrees) I'm BARELY 250 off the tee, but I will mop the floor with most from 125 in Victoria II. Trackman Figures from Some Tour Players - The Sand Trap .com [/quote] Does that make sense? TrackMan - Have a look at Justin Thomas' swing and | Facebook 2 were over 320. Have a look at his driver and 6 iron swing, incl. Paste as plain text instead, The difference in a good amateur player and a touring professional is typically going to be short game, endurance, and that space between the ears. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Spin Rate - 2200 rpm[/background][/size][/color] This instant gratification can be achieved through the 30-45 minute TrackMan Combine process! I have completely lost my iron swing due to injury and need a swing coach as well as does your program cover this as well? Odyssey Metal X Milled #1. [/quote] If length was a determing factor for professional status then we'd have the Wedge players tour and not the Long Drivers tour. Distance to Apex 195.9 Lets go one step further and use the TrackMan Combine data to see what kind of proximity to hole the AMA will be able to achieve at the various approach distances. link to What Irons Do the Pros Use? On the LPGA Tour the top women pros carry a 3-wood 195 yards, a 5-wood 185 yards and a 7-wood 174 yards on average. Well, they say that If you practice more and more youll get better and better. f[yZ3 /=KCYOSg~VN@ [email protected]@U$ Q\8H`/ 9Hj: .1xq WebBut he picked up 25 yards for elevation, 25 for wind, and another 45 for extra roll. For years, Justin has quietly used his fame and financial wherewithal to help many. STEAL THESE FROM ME! (Unimpededof course, because we always were able to play during the week). Here are Tiger's averages for this season on shots that were measured: BALL; Chrome Soft X. Learn to play your game, but keep pushing yourself where sensible and on the range, and youll enjoy your round more and start playing much more consistent golf. Ping Glide 2.0 (54) DG S400 TI It's good for some laughs. Do you have Average Female Amature driver swing speed? 4 -PW: Callaway Apex MB, KBS $ taper 130X, Wedges - Jaws raw 50, 54, 59 KBS $ taper 130x, Putter- Odyssey Vesa 12 center stroke lab shaft. Justin is committed to showing benevolence and grace to children in need, with the goal of bolstering their confidence, strengthening their determination, and allowing them great possibilities. The questions you ask are great questions, but unfortunately that data is not readily available. Before when I opened the club face I presented too much leading edge, but due to the high bounce and shape with the M grind this doesnt happen. [color=#ff0000]I'd really like to see Tiger's path and face numbers too among others especially seeing how far left he aims at times. #:>PC"ljTTZ!@8[+D py"4]F: }X@`*0gIiF1|fv3cp{c?9EkD!j> Finally, course strategy is an improvement that can be made without having to change anything relating to the swing, technique, or other physical items. Driver: Cobra Amp Cell Pro (8.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila RIP Phenom 3-wood: Titleist 906F4 (13.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila NV 7-wood: Michael Hopper whats in the bag accurate as of the WM Phoenix Open. Both wedges I could spin and release depending on the swing I put on the shot, I was especially a fan of the lob wedge chip shot which stopped on the second bounce. 52* & 58* Callaway MD2 // S-300 As we can again see from Brooks Koepkas yardage book above he has 5 different yardages listed for each of his specialist wedges which highlights just how much distance control the best golfers in the world can exert with their wedges. T 'enG~q/Om\#Q`{ HLRpC45`|NiG*"2agUTeu9d10S8xl?O`,`~ja~=j'(d~e?7UN+&iHPI=8NQQ={"K9R1d"3j$NJd[?@fUM)IxJ)Sn-bcVk7*"d9;&!0tB%=7$W&q&:L^q1|T]6k)SF WebPGA Tour players hit their driver a total of 296.6 yards on average with a carry distance of 284.3 yards according to official 2022 Shotlink data. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. If it's a really short par 4, I will hit an iron, hybrid, or fairway wood to play to that ideal distance range. Skill Triumphs Over All! Trackman Data on PGA Tour Averages Hit It Longer Sorry that I can not be of better help right now. The average green size at Torrey Pines South is 6,000 square feet. I don't play professional golf. The average USGA handicap for male golfers has been between 14.0 and 15.0 since 2005. Hitting long irons or hybrids into all of the par 4s does not set the AMA up for an enjoyable day on the golf course. Cobra Aerospeed 3W Kai'Li White :-). I have the occasional outlier above 250 but thats rare. Bump up your confidence around the greens. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. Of course, playing shorter courses seems very obvious if you want to improve performance. I need to know few things before buying. Does Trackman update this data each year? Dont Waste Your Money, Should Your Wedges Match Your Irons? Thankfully also the SM9s dont seem to be ripping the cover off your ball, but looking at the Trackman numbers the backspin was high which you'd expect from the milled grooves. The average for those golfers was 117 mph. Can trackman info like the dispersion plot data be projected over a course layout? The following is Torrey Pines South, where golfers line up each morning for a chance to play one of Americas 100 Greatest Public Courses (Golf Digest). I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. And also wondering how LPGA fits into this chart. What Determines Driver Distance? I once read that if all golfers had to count every stroke they took, and appropriate penalty shots, only 10 percent could legitimately break a 100. [/quote] All rights reserved. That's my opinion at least. Top 100 Player Analysis, drivers and fairway woods the top 100 PGA Tour players, How Do Pros Hit the Ball So Far? TEST INFO TOTAL SCORE
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