Im contemplating a set of Mizuno MP-53 irons. You hit the golf ball off of the heel of the club often causing the golf ball to hook or pull, You are playing clubs too short for you (again. Is that ok? This also gives me room for more wedges. TaylorMade Aero Burner TP 15 / Matrix White Tie 70-X OK, quick question. So I changed my swing to compress the ball better instead, and just took extra club and swing easy. Taking the destructive shot out of your game is key. I am wanting to bend my 5-PW one degree stronger and my 4 irontwo degrees stronger to fit better with my wedges and hybrid golf club. The 2-degree limit is only recommended when changing the lofts on irons due to the potential effect such bends will have on the sole angle of the club. Low bounce irons can become more digging prone from this change. We dont stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.. Potentially, this would mean the toe digs in and your shots go right (right handed). You cannot paste images directly. most amateurs like to hit the long ball not the low score. The decision wasn't about distance it was about gapping. I should have made the same swing with a 9 iron, to compensate for the lie, but did not.". March 27, 2015 at 11:41 AM The point is today, regardless of your skill level, if you work on making your grip and your set up closer to the proven fundamentals of the best players in the game, your path to better golf becomes infinitely easier. Hi everyone, sorry for the slow reply! Brent Grantcould very well be one of the seasons fairy stories by September, having already secured his 2022/23 card with a stunning 50-foot birdie putt on the last hole of the Korn Ferry Tour Championship enough to finish 11th and sneak in. What to consider when bending golf clubs. PING Anser 4 Hybrid It is common for the golfers I fit to hit todays irons, which average about 2 degrees less loft per club, as high as their current set (if not higher). A long iron doesn't have much bounce anyway since it was made to not take a big divot. You can post now and register later. But what I dont understand is why you would need to weaken the loft of irons 2-3* when the gap between irons is 3-4*. If you bend lie, you will effect swingweight. Then if your wedge gaps are off you might tweak them a degree. By setting up with the ball 1" farther back in your stance, and all other things being exactly the same you are delofting the club by 1.6* based on the average length club.. I do not disagree with you on the long irons Drew, we have hybrids to replace those. i dont need that. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. There only seems to be one logical reason to do this and thats just in the odd situation where someone needs more bounce. I've never had a sand wedge bent, I suppose that could be an issue but if you open the blade a bit the bounce comes back. Clear editor. IG: golfer_scott Still many worries about bending lofts due to bounce changes, and many also thinkthat shafts can lift or lower ball flight by changing dynamic loft, but without anything happening to bounce, but that cant be prevented, bounce always follows loft no matter if loft was changed due to bending, angle of attack, or adifferent shaft, all 3 scenarios has the same changes. Pasted as rich text. I was thinking of bending my irons 3 degrees stronger as my ball flights were too high, but then there would be a big gap to fill between the pitching wedge and the gap wedge, and potentially more side effects of bending the clubs then. Can you bend a metal wood? Hybrid: Cobra King Tec 2h, MMT 80 S -or- TEE CBX 17*, HZRDUS 85 6.0, 2 iron: Mizuno MP-20 HMB, Steelfiber i95 S, 39.5", Irons grab bag: 1-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S; 1-PW Golden Ram TW282, RIP Tour 115 R; 3-AW Pinhawk Vertex irons, Apollo std stepped S On a driver? Hi all, I was wondering if bending a club 2* strong would affect the playability of said club? 1 for 1, loft for bounce. On GI long irons vs players irons have different width soles, are the effects of bounce differ between the two if the loft is a degree stronger? Driver: G425 LST 9on Fujikura VENTUSBlue 5S, Fairway: G425LST 3w on Fujikura VENTUSBlue 6S, G425MAX 9won Graphite Design Tour ADDI7S, Utility: KING Forged Utility Black 4 on UST RECOIL SMACWRAP, Irons: KING Forged TEC Black5-Gon Mitsubishi MMT, Wedges:ES2154& Hi Toe Raw58on KBS Hi Rev 2.0, Putter: Triple Track Double Wide White Hot, Balls: Pro V1TP5xChrome Soft Triple Track x LS. Ping G425 5 wood & hybrid High bounce irons absorb a change like this more easily. The GI/SGI clubs are basically directed to help players with lesser abilities to hit the golf ball, usually that also means lower swing speeds. Lets assume that the launch angle with a modern-lofted set of irons is ideal. Plus, those superlight steel shafts in the 85-90 gram range feel like a softer flex than what is listed, probably due to the thinner steel in the shaft. I have plenty of X-flex swing speed and don't need the high launch (that just kills me in headwinds), but like the forgiveness on mishits. Feel free to browse around and see if anything catches your eye! Sorry to be a jerk but this topic comes up quite regularly so there are dozens of threads in the archives discussing this same topic. You can easily bend the lofts and lies to be progressively consistent from one club to the next with zero tolerance. You may have heard golfers talk about how they need to use a flatter club or that they need to change their lie angle. Another reason why stronger lofts dont always mean more distance is something I do frequently to help golfers hit the ball farther weaken lofts. I've bent tons of clubs. In addition, once a club is bent to a given specification, it will stay there until changed by an outside force of either bending again or striking a hard object. I know that for every degree strong I bend it, it will take a degree off the bounce. Featured Section: Feb 3, 2013. However, in reality it was now a 63* wedge so what happened. Privacy Policy Bounce follows loft in a 1:1 ratio. Military. I just switched from Wilson Ci9 to Taylormade TP MC, and Ive gained almost 15 yards despite the lofts being higher. Started Thursday at 03:24 PM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here, Please put any questions of comments here. Hope I did not complicate this any and maybe helped you, Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex---- 3 wood TM V-Steel Aldila 65G R Flex 15*--- 7 Wood TM V-Steel UST Pro Force 65 R flex 21*---- 9 wood TM V-Steel stock MAS Stiff shaft 24*--- Irons 4 thru 9 Mac Muirfield TT black label --- PW Vokey SM-4 51* stock shaft--- SW Vokey SM 5 L grind 58* stock shaft--- Putter -- Rusty Scotty Santa Fe fluted Bulls Eye shaft---. Offset degrees especially with a long iron can be a factor along with sole design. Driver: GolfWRX is on the ground in Orlando ahead of the 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational at Bay Hill Club & Lodge. Hes learned nothing Olympic legend launches scathing attack on Tiger Woods over tampon apology, Golf fans left bemused following bizarre Jim Nantz blunder, Best driver 2023: Expert club fitters recommend the best driver for your swing speed, An UP-CLOSE look at Tiger Woods famous Scotty Cameron putter, David Feherty ridiculed for Greg Norman comment during LIV broadcast, Tour pro says LIV would be done if Brooks Koepka returned to PGA Tour, TOUR REPORT: McIlroy switches drivers during Genesis Invitational (plus Tigers iron change). Never go more than 2 degrees when making adjustments. I have a 17-degree 4-wood, a 21-degree hybrid, a 26-degree hybrid, and a 29-degree iron as my longer (non-driver) clubs. Now as lower handicappers, we will probably not have our hands at impact fluctuating 3, 4 or 6 inches, but I would not say mine are within an inch of exactly the same place every time. But there is a lot more to it than that. And you are right about the irons listed, X Hot is a shockingly low launching iron and the G25 would be the exact opposite, with Rocketbladez mixed in the middle. Bending 2* strong will increase the clubs digging tendencies. Copyright 2020 GolfWRX Holdings, LLC. See below the make percentage for an average golfer from varying distances. Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? Step 1 for those golfers is to increase ball speed. I have to explain that the design allows the iron to have a stronger loft. Including me. A Good Fit for a Clubfitter is the Post Fit. Some get more spin, some less. Ping G425 5 wood & hybrid Check out the different lie angles of a standard 8 iron from these three companies: I know that the difference between these angles doesnt seem like much. It is a combination of those factors to get consistent results. However, recent form has shown the real Grant, with back-to-back class efforts at Torrey Pines and Pebble Beach, where at the former he led an elite field after a first-round 64. Lower lofts will travel a bit farther and a bit lower, higher lofts will travel a bit less and fly a bit higher. Your previous content has been restored. Tiger Woods plays his irons in weaker lofts and he doesnt seem to have any distance issues! GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, Tuesday at 04:47 PM, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 20, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 13, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 6, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, January 31, By The market is fascinating this week, with world number 376 Andrew Novak leading the field. What are you trying to achieve? The difference after they were set to factory lofts and lie for my swing was amazing! So I hit my standard 50 yard pitch with a 54* wedge. What's In The Bag (Summary as of October 2021, post-MAX changeover), Driver: Tour Edge EXS10.5, set 9.5;weights neutral ||FWs:CallaRogue4W + 7W, Hybrid: Calla Big Bertha OS4H at 22 ||Irons:Calla Mavrik MAX 5i-PW, Wedges*: Calla MD3:48MD4: 54, 58||Putter:Slotline Inertial SL-583F w/ SuperStroke 2.MidSlim (50 gr. Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth . As a lifelong golfer, a student of the game and having made my living in the golf equipment industry for 40-plus years, I have made it a study to observe golfers of all skill levels as they try to figure out this crazy and very difficult game. 1 is somewhere between somewhat important to very important, then the next question has to be. At a club fitting it was pointed out that I had about a 0 aoa and was launching a bit higher than ideal. When my first 'proper' set of clubs (MP30s) were done - at the same time as a Driver Shaft fitting - a couple were out considerably (the 6 iron had the loft of a 5!)! You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. Lynx Black Cat irons were set this way, so I had to have the 5 iron bent 2*, the 6 iron 1.5, the 7 iron 1.0 and the 8 iron .5 (this was my experimental set). Ping G410 LST 3 Wood Oban Tour Prototype V430 I realize this can be affected by angle of attack, swing speed, iron/shaft design, and ball design. About time someone who knows what theyre talking about said what the the real deal is with loft and modern clubs. Routinely, I notice longer than standard 85g shafts with these sets. Will keep that in mind from now on, It is hard for some golfers to understand how irons with more loft can help them hit the ball farther,. There is no worry about bending a club that was bent last year or last week. Sounds like it's a long iron. Your link has been automatically embedded. Don't think you'd notice a difference of 2. PING Forged wedges What affect would bending an iron 2 degrees stronger have? The risk that the club will break at the hosel is too high. The fitter can then analyze a golfers swing pattern and adjust the lie angle accordingly. If the club has an abundance of bounce and/or a rounded leading edge, reducing bounce by 2* might not matter. It was suggested that I would bring my launch and spin down a bit with making my irons 1-2 stronger. Even with limitations, many of todays metal woods are indeed bendable, especially stainless-steel heads. Grant is a big-hitter off the tee, his driving distance ranking being fourth at Bermuda, 16th at the RSM and third at Pebble Beach, whilst he ranked highly for both his driving and greens during his KFT campaign. Vokey 54.10, 2009 58.12 M, Testing TM MG2 60* TW grind and MG356* TW grind. 2023 Acushnet Company. Everyone's comments are super helpful! A golf club can be bent two degrees flat when the lie angle is lowered and the heel of the club is raised to a position that is higher than the toe of the club. How much of static bounce is positive at impact?..we have to start from a static bounce of MORE than the difference to have any, and 31* minus 20.2* = 10.8 static bounce is needed to get ZERO. Reset Password GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, Tuesday at 04:47 PM, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 20, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 13, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 6, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, January 31, By TM TP UDi #1 w/ Diamana The industry is run by marketing divisions, who are responsible for stronger lofted irons, in the mistaken belief that lower loft equals more distance. That would depend on what GI head design you have and to be quite honest the only way to be sure would be to test these irons on a golf radar. Driver: TM 300 Mini 11.5*, Tour Blue 85 X, 44" -or- Cobra Fly-Z+, Phenom NL 60 X, 44.5", 3w:King LTD, Aldila RIP Beta 90 X -or- TM Stage 2 Tour, NV105 X I would never ever think of doing this on my own. 716 MB'S It sorts my gapping out perfectly as a result. In a typical golf set, loft increases as shaft length decreases. Will it affect offset? If the launch conditions work, what matter the number on the club? Your 4i and 5i will tend to get more rollout than the higher # irons, hence the 3* loft gaps. Any knowledge on the subject would be appreciated. If you're a true picker, wont make you a digger. And its one of only two elements of the golf swing that require absolutely no physical skills. Great article. And here is why. I was wondering if bending my irons 1 to 2 degrees strong at a golf shop will change the playability of the 712 AP2s. Youll be amazed at the difference a properly fit set of irons can make to your game. with more loft than its designed for, so he cant go wrong by bending heads stronger. I highly recommend that golfers get fitted before making a large purchase on golf clubs. Titleist 818 H1 19 HybridMiura CB-57 4-PW I did this with my current set and the results are great. By adding loft, those golfers achieve more ideal launch conditions, which means they carry shots farther and stop the ball faster on the green. You won't notice it. Titleist Response to USGA / R&A Distance Insights, Bending 716MB irons 1 or 2 degrees strong. The sole on that thing is tiny compared to any driving iron and I still had no trouble hitting it off the deck. sorry, didnt mean increase loft. For most players the answer is - MORE than we normally can bend static lof, Lower launch, lower flight (generally) but you lose some bounce and add offset, Titleist TSi4 8.25* / Fujikura Ventus Black TR 7-X But they will still land on the green as soft as an older set of irons (if not softer). It just depends. Played a mp30 2i for most of the year as a gap from my 3i to my 3 wood. It is hard for some golfers to understand how irons with more loft can help them hit the ball farther, and this is understandable. Introduce Yourself/ WIYB (What's In Your Bag), Lessons, Drills, Mental Game, and Fitness Tips. That means judging any of this due to the club head alone and isolated makes no sense, we have to include the player and his delivery of the head since thats what matters for if we can / should go weaker or stronger or leave it as it is. There is no question that golf is one of the hardest, if not the hardest, games in which to become reasonably proficient. Copyright 2023 Mitchell Golf Equipment Company. More ball speed helps them keep the ball in the air longer, which raises their maximum height. The bounce on irons is pretty much a non starter in my opinion. "so, any advice, I keep air mailing greens with my PW from 140, this is really hurting my score. MyGolfSpy Forum Virtual Golf Tournaments, Forum Featured:Community Map & Course Reviews, By Craig, That is only if the area you are going to contact the ball moves up on the face as a result of bending, the lower portion of the face will move backwards when bent strong. Hi! Callaway Epic - HZRDUS BlackCobra F9 3 Wood I don't have any problems with the slight increase in offset and the lower bounce but if needed you could get someone to grind the leading edge a bit to put some bounce back. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Theyre selling the clubs by saying that you will hit them longer, yet like you said, many of those whod need the help arent really hitting at least the longer irons any longer. I couldn't agree more, they are a thing of beauty but also of art, it'll change the effect the way the club goes through the turf, I've lost some distance using these because I was hitting the new T-MB which 3 iron went a mile, but the 3 iron in the MB's is what dreams are made of, way easy to hit and launch, I wouldn't want to mess with it, that being said I did increase the lie up 2 degrees for my swing:). Ping G400 Max driver w/Aldila Rogue 125 Silver A wind-affected island track that offers rewards for aggression. Late to the party but I was just searching this topic and saw your post, I just bought an old set of mizuno's that are bent 2* strong for the exact same reason as you stated above. The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. Approach play is the area of the game that leaves a lot to be desired amongst all levels of amateur golfers. Undershooter If the club has an abundance of bounce and/or a rounded leading edge, reducing bounce by 2* might not matter. You may want to try searching if you need more info. More photos from the event here. I teach golf on the Eastern side of Michigan where I am the Director of Instruction for three golf courses. In fact, a sound, fundamental hold on the club is the first step in setting up for a technically sound golf swing. Titleist 818 H1 19 HybridMiura CB-57 4-PW people hit it further because of stronger lofts is such a wifes tale. What I was hoping from this article was proof for that a current 46* MB/CB PW doesnt go any further than the 47/48* PWs of the past. What do you mean about not seeing any changes in your irons? 1001 Industrial Blvd It is common for the golfers I fit to hit todays irons, which average about 2 degrees less loft per club, as high as their current set (if not higher). We also see these players having gapping issues with a mid iron, not just 4 and 5 like your example, so adding loft achieves better gapping as well. He is also 1 of 33 TrackMan Masters in the world, and has completed thousands of successful fittings using TrackMan. Among full-swing clubs, drivers have the lowest degrees of loft (some pros use drivers with as little as 7 degrees of loft; most recreational golfers use drivers lofted at 9 to 14 degrees). You might find that you ask yourself if you are better or worse than the average golfer? Club design of a particular club can be a factor also.
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