If you start fantasizing about someone else when you are making love, or at any other time, I think you are praying your partner out. [redacted] said Jamin is very controlling. She knew her Bible inside out, she just keeps quoting the Old Testament over and over. s Christian Domestic Discipline Marriage Ben at first thought I was joking, but when I took him to the scripture and showed him, and had my pastor sit him down and teach him about CDD, he saw the light, reluctantly, and agreed to be the HOH of our home. God was saying that, in our post-paradisal state, spousal relationships would become much harder, in part because many men would be tempted to become abusive and domineering. But that pastor I am speaking about, if she is worth her salt, will speak better words than me. Nor, based on his presentation here, did it ever occur to me to just assume that Lone Voice is a Christian. Muslims and Hindus follow male headship. Men are not the loving protectors that some claim that they should be under sexist teachings such as gender complementarianism.. I would commit some offense that my parents/husband thought was wrong, I was told I was going to be punished, I would end up over a lap and afterward would be told to pray. How are you doing now? I wished people like you existed since the beginning of times so the world would be a much better place even though apart from labelling people victims and abusers, your general philosophies do not do much to help relationships work as is evidenced by the disfunctional state of marriages today that have become a mess just at the same period your ideological ideals started to become turned into laws. However you are not free to force your religious views on others. Christian Domestic Discipline This is a tool among others, people do not hit as a substitute for talking unlike what you suggest. A few folks are gonna paddle each other. I am not estranged from my parents but I did not get their support. I asked [redacted] how it made her feel emotionally, if she was scared for her life. Yes, many Muslims and Hindus follow male headship. He was suggesting that were all marching in lockstep with feminism, so I joked that we argue so much precisely because we agree on everything. When you wrote: You cannot find a single Bible verse that says that never married adult women must submit to a man because there is no such concept you had forgotten Numbers 30:3-5. She has been assured by her family that even if she were able to successfully facilitate legal action and prison time for her husband and father, that other members of their community would come after her. and gave the man more work into the bargain. Finally, I would suggest that the fix you are suggesting are the reasons domestic discipline has been making a come back lately and is here to stay. DavidA Michael is worried sick over his wife's whereabouts, and he's determined to put a stop to her irresponsible behavior. First let me say that my husband and I have just recently found your site and think it is wonderful. By consent is OK, we read. He has already had too much of your life. And no, the experiences, however bad, do not nullify the word of God. (no spanking adults goes without saying, though your parents just may provoke Prime Minister Justin Trudeau TO say that) You should address your own problems before aspiring to protect people against themselves. As far as your point is made. You simply cannot say that as the visitors at my site are widely diverse. Guided Wife A blog on my desire to be virtuous and submissive ;) I am neither kinky, nor a doormat. This is really strange, as it seems the husband turned a non-consensual sex fetish into his personal gratification and not his wifes, while hurting her mentally and physically through some crazy fabricated punishment, Lets treat adults like adult and lets avoid the temptation of playing the role of God.. its the samething a guy who punched his wife in the face would say. I was sternly told by my husband to go to the bathroom because we needed to talk. Slander and lies are his stock and trade and so it is with his children. Im not prepared to claim that lonely wolf is a child of the devil, but I do suggest that there is plenty of reason for the exercise of discernment. Its heartbreaking to read your accounts both here and elsewhere and if you were not in a rage it would be nothing short of miraculous. Can a Domestic Discipline Relationship be loving? Update (12/28/15): previously, there were two YouTube videos posted of Dr. Phils showposted here. (LogOut/ Christianity is a great world view for men who know very well they are unwanted by most women. Jamin usually keeps a pistol under the mattress and one on top of the refrigerator. These three core values are essential: Communication, Consent, & Compassion. [redacted] said in a counseling session Jamin has admitted to using anger as a teaching tool for [redacted] like you would train a dog. 1 Peter 3:7. And then to quote half of 1Cor 7:4! Its the word of God:. Its the word of God: I was sexually terrorized as a little girl by a bible loving, bible verse quoting, church going southern Baptist Christian man as a little girl. When the man takes charge and makes really good, well-thought-out (and prayed for) decisions, its pretty easy for 2. It didnt impress Jesus. His mother had passed away long ago and his father died shortly after our wedding and I never got to talk to him much. There are no Bible passages that say that husbands have authority over wives, but one that says that wives have authority over their husbands body. In 1Cor 7:4, the wife and the husband having power or authority over each others bodies is in the context of them not refusing each other conjugal relations (due benevolence). States have laws restricting consent to marry a person who is already married. Good for them? The truth is that I rarely disagree with household or DD decisions that he makes. As someone that has been burned and sexually abused I can say there is nothing worse then intercourse with a misogynist, men that go on about male headship, female submission to men. Because my Jack is taking the lead. Testimonials of Loving Domestic Discipline This, to me, is a strong leader. I wanted to know how did Lauren get from the point where wife spanking was considered normal to the place where she said, THIS IS WRONG it is ABUSE!. No, Bike Bubba, by role play I meant dressing up as a type, not as another person. But through this, the emotional, physical, and mental connections between us are incredible, especially the physical. Which only shows exactly where your heart and mind are at. Similarly, abusing men need to be taken to task (no, I dont know how, and in some cases they just never will be) but the fact of their existence does not mean God was wrong to say that the man is the head of the wife and that he shall rule over thee. No one is tricked or trapped into that, even if you seem to have the concerning desire to save people from themselves because it just cant be right. When we finally got to my parents, I figured I was safe so I started again. I dont know where I have ever read such a torrent of self-satisfied sanctimony. When Jamin came home with a new laptop and never mentioned it to her she was trying to keep him accountable. And people, please take seriously my point about not thinking of other folk when you are in bed. I would however disagree with the notion that these laws were well-inspired. Most jobs that could provide a living were male occupations. Good intentions yield more good intentions. Most of these husbands never believed their wives would ever accept CDD, but today the majority of their wives do. Im sure youd find plenty of support in those cultures. Jesus and Paul went with out sex. They first have a conversation about Domestic Discipline. A Husbands Guide to Implementing Christian Domestic Discipline. Male headship is followed all over the world.. Isnt bullying between two consenting children? (Both know of the relationship my husband and I have, as we have talked with them about the joys of a CDD relationship.). You think you are just but you are what the Bible calls a mocker. 1Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. Christian Domestic Discipline I know its hard, but it must be do-able by the grace of God and the power of Holy Spirit because our Lord Jesus said: But unlike the "Cry U.S.E." BeenThereDoneThat: Ive heard that put-down of those who quote scripture before. I can see from your posts that you have major issues with men, but please dont filter the Bible through your own experiences. Change). Because people are increasingly dissatisfied by the standard domestic arrangements proposed by social scientists are looking for alternative arrangements more in line with human nature. Christian Domestic Discipline One clue to you that your gender role views are un-bilbical is that they only apply to, are often only applied to, middle class, white American married mothers. It ranged anywhere from a swat or two over my clothing up to him pulling down my pants for episodes that left me bawling. I would find that approach must less objectionable. Ive been thinking about this quite a bit. It really is that good. Michael is worried sick over his wife's whereabouts, and he's determined to put a stop to her irresponsible behavior. His thumb nail was shorter but still long enough to make the marks I saw on the left side of [redacted] neck. (There are no passages that support spanking. Christian Domestic Discipline, wife spanking, Christian Patriarchy Movement, Spanking of Adult Children, Denominational Practices and teachings Two summers ago, I received a phone call from a pastor who shared his growing concern about wife-spanking in his family of churches. If adults have the right to spank those who disagree with them, well, I shudder to think of all the spank-fests thatd happen on every count; in every church meeting, every work-place. I got spanked as a child and so did my brother and we turned out great! So dont quote the half of a verse which you like, miss out the half you dont and then accuse me of distorting verses when all I did was quote them! As that is what it really boils down to. If Satan can keep you in the past, he will rob you of your future. christian domestic discipline A History of the Corporal Discipline of Women January 11, 2023 In this third and final part of my three-part series on Christian Domestic Discipline, we explore how the practice of domestic discipline continue through the middle-ages and even into America up until the mid-20th century. Continue reading. It is insidious that this practice has continued in the name of God and Christianity. He just put his belt back on and left the room with the door open. Thats their thing. While social sciences are a useful tool, you perfectly demonstrate how they can be used as a convenient tool to outlaw deranging opinions and lifestyles by justifying the move by supposed facts. Then, they sign this document in the presence of lawyers, and witnesses (friends and/or parents of the woman). As a sexually abused little girl growing up in misogynistic Christianity I always felt like god was my pimp. Its only by bringing the two together under complete subjection to Christ by both parties that the marriage will ever be complete. Anonymous, musingsofaministerswife.com, 11. Guide to Implementing Christian Domestic Discipline Jennas Punishment Spanking (Christian Domestic Discipline Marriage #1) During a disagreement, Jenna storms out of the house without telling her husband where she's going. Now no one complains to the Pastor at Bible school anymore I can tell you. But for her husband, and possibly her father, if that is what him and her husband agree on, then I dont think it is wrong. Have you read Marys song, known as the Magnificat? The Bible doesnt say that never-married adult women have to submit to a man, or any men, certainly not American women in the year 2015. We have six wives and 8 unmarried women including our daughters in the class. Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. We had a post on this a while ago in some marriages, yes. . May we all work to protect women and expose this shameful sin and crime in our churches. Cant get strength that will defend them a la Roy Rogers, so you get strength that will slap you around a la Gray or John Wayne in his worse moments. Its not right. [redacted] said Jamin has used pornography as a means of punishment towards [redacted]. At the very least, the reality is miles away from what you are trying to make it, please do your research. and going through Judges 4:9 all the way to Eph 5:23 and 1Tim 2:12). Its not just me that talks about your husband having authority, Julie Anne. We have no set rules so to speak. This is the reason tolerance is essential if you want your ideas to pass the test of time. Are you serious? It is not abuse if both people consent, maybe she should have talked to him about it and he would have stopped. ), You said, Dont just say my position is not Biblical, argue it, prove it from scripture, of course.. Even without saying the word spanking, it would be easy for a husband sitting in a pew to take that kind of teaching and think that a pastor was giving his stamp of approval for wife spanking to get her under control. This posthas been very difficult for me emotionally. My reaction then was much like most women and like the worlds view of submission. He spanked his wife so he could get the demons out and to stop the bad behavior which he labeled as narcissism. Its as if my fathers and brother-in-laws defensive shields go up and they tune out. I have believed for many years that this is actually biblical, and the husband should spank his wife. Not sure whether you can hear me in the doghouse (or if youre even hanging around anymore), but Id like to offer some insight as to why you might have ended up there. We left and started the long drive to my parents house and after about an hour I started again. I was engaged to a man for several years. During this time my behavior, and our marriage improved through my daily spanking, but Ben was lacking in giving me spankings when I misbehaved, something I tearfully confessed during one of our meetings. I debated putting this in the Godly ladies' thread but decided that I would risk my reputation to be thought of as forward because this is just too good to keep from men. I love him with or without discipline, but to be honest I really want it in my life. Jamin said [redacted] tried to leave the bedroom and walked into his hands. In the above examples, we see non-denominational, charismatic/evangelical, Reformed Presbyterian denominations represented. Claire Roise: Oppressed and Defenseless Women within the Church, Flying Free: Help for Survivors of Emotional Abuse, Lori Anne Thompson on Clergy Sexual Misconduct. _Benevolent sexism: Men who open doors for women can be as sexist as those who are rude to them, study finds_. Its not called beatings or abuse, which is what it is. As a matter of fact, I get yelled at on occasion by homosexual marriage supporters on other sites for politely stating I disagree with how homosexual marriage supporters bully those they disagree with over the homosexual marriage topic.). Julie Anne, like Daisy, you too are filtering the Bible through experiences as well as using a logical non-sequiter. (starting with Genesis 2:18 and 3:16 funny how many great verses in the Bible are 3:16, isnt it? If you are currently living (or have lived) the Christian Domestic Discipline lifestyle and you would like to share how it has helped your marriage or relationship, please email your story and mention that you wish to share your experiences with other people. Daisy, just where in the Gospels did Christ say, I say Genesis 3:16 is not to be followed any more? You write as though no woman in the Bible had any learning. I was hoping the article was good no to come out and say that all hitting, whether it is an adult or child, is assault, but I didnt see that. I do not agree with your philosophies and fixes, but I feel no drive or desire to label you as mentally sick. Doe you think she have to obey him then as well? When the man takes charge and makes really good, well-thought-out (and prayed for) decisions, its pretty easy for wives to submit. I think its reasonable to suggest that people choosing this lifestyle put much more thinking into their relationships and are more intellectually alert than the average person going the default way. So he has this attitude, because he is about to bring them irrefutable proof (which you are not doing). Jesus taught that followers of his are not to lord authority over each other, but you are advocating that. But even then, it is always amazing how Eph 5:21 always ignored. AND GUESS WHAT?? Thanks, Gary. Junia was a female apostle who taught men. In the Garden, the serpent went over the woman, she went over her husband, and he went over God. Guide to Implementing Christian Domestic Discipline Did you go straight from home to marriage without any schooling? Aspire to knowledge and aspire to love, declare yourself ignorant and humble and you will find justice and wisdom for God does not reveal himself to arrogant people and this is why you are in darkness on this matter. He wasnt hitting me with closed fists or objects. If not which of you 2 does? You can get in my face and scream it, and it still wont be a proof. If I put my wife in a french maid or indian princess outfit, am I not seeing, at least in part, a french maid or indian princess? Wife Spanking, Christian Domestic Discipline, Domestic Violence *** You husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with someone weaker, since she is a woman; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered. I was in such a relationship for a while. There are in fact right wingers and conservative Christians who take the Bible literally yet who also reject the gender complementarian position (which is what you are advocating). As one who is more inclined to the pursuit of justice, which I take to be included as an aspect of righteousness, my potential reward no doubt pales in comparison to the reward awaiting Julie Anne, Serving Kids in Japan, and all the other peacemakers here. I woke up in a horrible mood and from the beginning I was very disrespectful to my husband. No one arranges to be bullied, however couples consensually arrange these relationships before entering them. Unless I agree with you 100%, Im outside of the will of God? In other words, they basically say, you may be in pain, and you may have been wronged, but F___ you. I will say this. My mom told me that dad only punished her because he loved her, and that in a Christian family dad was in charge and no one can ever disobey him. Wacky science isnt fooling anyone, even if people are not always able to verbalize it, they feel within themselves that something is wrong and this autism makes them explode at some point.. Did you even read the post? Dont let him have the victory for a day longer. But when you seriously contend that there mere fact that our Lord appeared first to women and told them to tell the men negates the creation ordinance, Deborahs curse of wimpy Barak and the clear words of the Holy Spirit on this subject through the Apostle Paul, then I suggest you have really lost touch with the will of God. I found out that the Pastor spoke to her husband and so he had the pastor and his wife come over for dinner and then told her the pastor talked to him about her attitude and she was getting a spanking after dinner. For instance, those who practice domestic discipline often cite scripture that calls for wives to submit to their husbands. Does the power differential matter? You are in error. Take any instructional material on domestic discipline and youll notice two things : knowledge symmetry (the man and the woman must comprehensively discuss and understand every aspect of this lifestyle), and psychological sophistication : the many psychological effects of physical disciplining (which only is one aspect of the lifestyle) are presented at length to both the man and the woman. It is not for you to determine someones path of recovery. It seems like my husbands leadership skills have developed so strongly. One of Jamin and [redacted] counselors put software on Jamins computer that would not allow him to access pornographic sites. Her treatment is horrid and nothing short of physical, sexual, and mental torture. If you are given instructions, do you follow them? My sister and brother continue to suffer as a result. Jesus Christ did away with male rulership over women and clarified that women are equals to men. And so many selfish, heartless, sexually sadistic Areal Castro centric Christian men are telling women they cant refuse their husbands sex. Christian Domestic Discipline