MORRIS: Yes. PHILLIPS: And it made her a crucial player in the trial of the century. PHILLIPS: Are you glad that Laura recorded Mark Fuhrman? After learning that Fuhrman was a Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) officer and had strong views about the employment of women as LAPD officers, McKinny engaged Fuhrman as a consultant to provide background information about the reality of the experiences of LAPD officers and to serve as a technical advisor in the development of a screenplay. Excerpts From the Ruling on the Fuhrman Tapes - New York Times HART MCKINNY: Depending on the crime committed, the grand dragon would determine what the (inaudible) would be. After that you usually get the truth. And you are going: Where do you live? PHILLIPS: What if somebody had come towards you? HART MCKINNY: Yet he lied on the stand. MARK FUHRMAN, DETECTIVE: That is what I'm saying, sir. The specific racial epithet at issue is perhaps the single most insulting, inflammatory and provocative term in use in modern day America. HART MCKINNY: No one, talking about me, should be profiting from this tragedy that people have to live with every day of their life. It's relevant, germane, material. HART MCKINNY: Those comments that he used made me feel repulsed but also it lit a fire under me. And that screenplay she developed with Mark Fuhrman's help? - Describing LA neighborhood, 'I mean, that's just the way you feel, you know. PHILLIPS: Exactly what McKinny needed to write her screen play about misogyny in the Los Angeles police department? - On new LAPD regulations, 'You know, policemen also use "Bubba" a lot, 'cause it's a slam term, because n****** you know they call each other Bubba. She also called for an independent "blue-ribbon commission" to investigate gender bias and sexual harassment issues at the LAPD.[14]. "Research shows women officers are more skillful at de-escalating potentially violent situations than their male counterparts, and so MAW's efforts to drive women out only exacerbates the LAPD's excessive force problems," explained Harrington, "The Fuhrman tapes reveal just how aggressively women police officers are shunned for their more community-oriented policing skills and their refusal to go along with using excessive force. He was a big n*****, and she was afraid.' - Describing LAPDnarcoticsunit, 'First thing, anything out of a n*****'s mouth for the first five or six sentences is a f****** lie. - On LAPD coworker who took up fencing, 'I used to go to work and practice movements. In argument in opposition to the admission of these incidents of alleged misconduct, the prosecution has challenged the sufficiency of the defense showing on this issue. FUHRMAN: My ass is on the line, because if the media gets a hold of this, although we can say - well, we've been in negotiations for years, months whatever. PHILLIPS: McKenna was a private investigator working for O.J. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm very pleased. Fuhrman later describes the aftermath of the brawl, saying; 'We broke 'em. They sat down knowing they were never going to convict that man,' said Fuhrman. ITO RULES OUT MOST OF FUHRMAN TAPES - The Washington Post HART MCKINNY: So they would hold these late night meetings and figure out how they were going to harass other male officers that were being nice to female officers. 'I'm doing the one thing that I can - I can do. - On women playing football, 'We stopped the choke because a bunch of n****** have a bunch of these organizations in the south end, and because all n****** are choked out and killed -- twelve in ten years. Suits, Motions and Court Orders But it's really their natural response. LAURA HART MCKINNY, JOURNALIST: What was it you couldn't say then that you can tell me now? - Discussing a rape victim, 'Now, it's funny because guys in Internal Affairs go, "Mark, you can do just about anything. But what did the Mark Fuhrman tapes say? Most things, hard lessons, are things that are thrust upon you when you don't ask for them and you have to react to them. Trial Transcripts PHILLIPS: An LAPD assistant chief when a task force investigated everything Fuhrman said on those tapes. It's over.' He later says; 'Well, the funny thing about it is just like the attorney said, `For the rest of your life, this is you: you're bloody glove Fuhrman, that's it. The Fuhrman Tapes with Transcript - O.J. Simpson Murder Trial Both alive and I was first unit on the scene. That is what we do. The jury was not present for Fuhrman's testimony. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use in the word -- describing people? The Fuhrman Tapes and the L.A.P.D. HART MCKINNY: He asked if in that story I had research tapes and if I had taped Mark Fuhrman. HART MCKINNY: What, the 77th lie detector test? He didn't have to give up the tapes. Fuhrman tapes - Wikipedia Transcripts Of The Fuhrman Tapes Excerpts Show Why They Were - Bustle Trial Transcripts HART MCKINNY: Bingo. LAURA HART MCKINNY, JOURNALIST: I picked up the phone. It reveals more of Fuhrman's disturbing recordings. At one point he also makes disparaging comments about the looks and work ethic of a female superior, Captain Margaret York, implying she advanced in the ranks through sexual favors. They're utterly incompetent and they're dangerous. HART MCKINNY: Yes. Ito steps aside on Fuhrman tapes issue. Many people also know about a key piece of evidence introduced by the defensetaped interviews in which one of the investigating officers, Los Angeles Police Department detective Mark Fuhrman, used racial slurs. That McKinny has had tape recorded and transcribed conversations with Fuhrman for the nine-year period between April of 1985 and July of 1994. d. That during the course of those conversations. ANNOUNCER: The following is a CNN special report. No, I didn't. [10] After paying a $200 fine, Fuhrman was released from his probation in April 1998[11] and the conviction was later expunged from his record. HART MCKINNY: Yes, it's time. I remember you got a lot of death threats. We have to be willing to be vulnerable. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Simpson you are charge with the crime of murder. Aired 11p-12mn ET Aired July 21, 2017 - 23:00 ET THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT.. Fuhrman, who has retired from. HART MCKINNY: No. It is a theory without factual support. He told us what he observed and what he had been hearing about the men against women and the WAF, the White Angle Faction police. - Speaking about LAPD changes, 'If I'm wrestling around with some f****** n*****, and he gets me in my back, and he gets his hands on my gun. A sign to find anything that would support the defense's strategy that Mark Fuhrman was a racist who planted evidence. Chris Spargo For Dailymail.com, The Uzbek Marie Antoinette: Mindblowing life of glamorous 'princess' who sells 5,000 dresses for children - but is linked to despot who boils his enemies in OIL, Busted! UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was scared. When you found out you had to work the beat with him, what's your reaction? Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown were dead, and her ex-husband, O.J. [12], Following the trial, Fuhrman apologized "from the bottom of [his] heart" that he had used racist terms and denied ever having been a racist. Torrance is considered the last white middle class society.' FUHRMAN: You got to be a border line socio path, you got to be violent. HART MCKINNY: Yes. It's despicable, the fact that he can think about that and talk like that makes me think it's happening and so I have to find a way to reflect that. More than once though he is describing a violent incident, like when he tells a story about beating up a suspect in his custody. No, because he liked to talk about his thoughts and his feelings. Did you feel safe during all of that? I was a reason the jury latched on to so they could feel good about themselves. The LAPD detective answered Bailey, under oath, saying he had not used the word in the past 10 years as of that date, March 15, 1995. ', In his final recording, Fuhrman talks about the Simpson case and having discovered the glove, telling McKinny; 'I'm the key witness in the biggest case of the century. The defense proffers include 41 examples of Fuhrman using the particular racial epithet in question and 18 examples of misconduct argued to be relevant on the issue of Fuhrman's credibility and willingness to fabricate. 'Crime Story' Addresses Another Fuhrman Allegation - Bustle their faces were just mush. Split, hide, yell, scream, and hide in the corner. HART MCKINNY: He was trying to articulate the depth of his soul. I couldn't believe it. 'The People v. OJ Simpson' Releases the Infamous Fuhrman Tapes MARK FUHRMAN, DETECTIVE: That is what I am saying. While Ito said he had heard all the tapes and had read all the transcripts, Uelmen said he wanted to go over them so . '"No problem, not even any marks, Dana." Fuhrman's actions and behavior were a key part of Johnnie Cochran's closing argument, where the lawyer suggested that the detective planted the glove at Simpson's home and described him as a 'lying, perjuring, genocidal racist.'. The LAPD announced that Fuhrman exaggerated many of the acts of racially motivated brutality described on the recordings. Fuhrman also uses the slur while explaining his reasons for possibly pulling over a motorist, saying; 'N***** drivin' a Porsche that doesn't look like he's got a $300 suit on, you always stop him. Get in the car.' PHILLIPS: And then you lost on appeal. O.J. There is the Rolling 60's, n***** group they went into a sporting good store and stole 50 Uzis, 3,000 rounds.' - On a police division, 'He grew up in school with all blacks, and every time a n***** looked at him, he'd jump them cause he figured they were going to jump on him, so he might as well start the fight right now and get it over with.' Witnesses Tell Jury of Fuhrman's Racial Epithets : Simpson trial: Ex So a month and a half after the murders, Fuhrman tells you this. HART MCKINNY: No. I really don't. Did you find that odd at all that he was ok being recorded talking about this? PHILLIPS: In 1965 racist white cops ignited the watts riots. HART MCKINNY: I just laughed. So your goal was to write a screen play about sexism within the LAPD. [9], Although the LAPD Commission investigating the Fuhrman tapes "determined that in almost every instance, the now-retired detective was exaggerating or lying about episodes of police brutality," the report confirmed that Fuhrman was "telling the truth when he spoke of institutional harassment of women on the force. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 42 times? THE O.J. SIMPSON MURDER TRIAL - Los Angeles Times FUHRMAN: It was like a man and wife relationship, you know. Man, it has the smell of n****** that have been beaten and killed in there for years.' HART MCKINNY: Yes. HART MCKINNY: I think those tape spoke volumes. The Fuhrman tapes are 13 hours of taped interviews given by Los Angeles police officer Mark Fuhrman to writer Laura McKinny between 1985 and 1994. Transcript Providers Return to Transcripts main page CNN Special Reports After O.J. I really believe that if I could tell the story in a way that was honest and fair with a strong narrative that I could help inform people. This is a digitized version of an article from The Timess print archive, before the start of online publication in 1996. HART MCKINNY: It hasn't been good, I will say. . PHILLIPS: She teaches screen writing at the University of North Carolina, School of the Arts. I thought whoa. . How did it unfold before you thought this guy can help me? "Both down when I arrived. Chris Spargo For Dailymail.com Simpson Murder Trial. "[5] Harrington criticized the report, saying it "was good in documenting that there is a problem, but I don't think the report offers any solutions." We grabbed a girl that lived there, one of their girlfriends. What Did The Mark Fuhrman Tapes Say? They Were Crucial To The - Romper PHILLIPS: Why would he want to keep talking to you for so many years? 'Grabbed her by the hair and stuck a gun to her head, and used her as a barricade. [23:25:04] PHILLIPS: Tia Morris says she had to work with the men of MAW. 'They don't want anybody but good people in their town, and anyway you can do to get them out of there that's fine with them. PHILLIPS: Seemingly makes guys aware that if they are nice to female officers there will be consequences. How do you plead? "[6][7], The tapes, as well as Fuhrman himself, became central to the 1995 O. J. Simpson murder trial. There will be a bingo moment or I get chills and when I get chills I can help somebody else get chills. Fuhrman was being interviewed by a woman named Laura. We have no n****** where I grew up.'. They're like caught in between it's like half in a door and half out. That brief recording heard by the jury was taken from 13 hours of interviews between Fuhrman and screenwriter Laura McKinny recorded between 1985 and 1994, with the last tape being made a month after Simpson was charged in his wife's murder. PHILLIPS: As for McKinny she could no longer protect the tapes or her privacy. Fuhrman was the cop who decided that speck of blood was probable cause to climb over the wall to O.J. It was horrible for us because it had a huge impact on the O.J. We were privy to all of his past investigations and a stress claim that he filed where he talked about how he hated blacks and Hispanics, and women. I think he was being truthful. PHILLIPS: However, there was, as Fuhrman describes, a way to avoid being quote put on trial. However, as noted above, the court retains some discretion in controlling the inquiry. She looks just like one of those monkeys they send out of the castle. How did we even let him stay on the job? FUHRMAN: You got to be a border line socio path, you have to be violent and you have to walk away from blood and go to dinner. Went over to the baseball diamond and talked to him. Trial Cop Tells of 'Tribunals', "Feminist Majority Foundation and National Center For Women & Policing Call for Citizens' Commission to Oversee Independent Investigation of Gender Bias In LAPD:Department Plagued by Reports of Sexual Harassment and Threats Against Women Officers and Wifebeating Cover-up", My World and Welcome Info Pages: Excerpts from the Fuhrman Tapes, "Fuhrman Invokes 5th Amendment, Refuses to Testify: Simpson case: Ex-detective is asked three questions, including whether he planted evidence. PHILLIPS: A split-tail for a partner. . FUHRMAN: I thought I knew better being a policeman how to make the most controversial, outrageous, violent controversially crammed police show that we could make. The revelation was priceless. We searched him again and found the gun. Excerpts you are now hearing for the very first time. Fuhrman also angrily refers to Simpson's lawyer Robert Shapiro as a 'Jew' and says that he looks forward to filing a libel lawsuit against him after comments he made about the detective in a New Yorker story. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. HART MCKINNY: That is what he said. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you say on your oath that you have not addressed any black person as a nigger or spoken about black people as niggers in the past 10 years, Detective Fuhrman? I didn't know what I was doing. How O.J. Got the Fuhrman Tapes (and You Can Get Out-of-State Materials) Your charges are as follows. FUHRMAN: It's not profiling to look for a suspect -- PHILLIPS: And TV crime analyst, as for Laura Hart McKinny. In that book he apologized for using racial slurs, said that he believed Simpson should have been arrested earlier by LAPD and accuses the prosecution of having abandoned him at trial after the release of the tapes. PHILLIPS: Mark Fuhrman was still getting together with you and recording these tapes after the murders had happened.