I asked where he got such information. Last week GW was desperately trying to give away as many copies as possible of some book COO Tom Lane wrote called Letters From a Dad to a Graduate. In his introductory remarks, he spoke of Marks kindness, humility. That would be terrible. @ Gus: The name Che is a nickname, short for pig (chancho), for a reason. As for my outsider perspective he seems like someone youd want as a pastor if you wanted to get big and have lots of revenue streams. Pews are in the old megas. He was the vulgar shock jock of American Christianity. First, he begins by praying that he wants to make this time just about God and His people; yet he appears to take the stories of Stephen and Paul and apply them to his own circumstance at least that's how it sounded to me. So why would they view power and authority as central to the Gospel? James River Church makes promise after Christmas event backlash Great comment Bridget. I really do believe that Driscoll has sociopathic tendencies. I am haunted by that infamous message where he appeared to use a Bible passage to describe what was about to happen to two Mars Hill elders. Right now i am in the second week of trying to help sort out a custody battle between two very wonderful young people. This has nothing to do with the recent downfall of Mark and demise of Mars Hill. Having a large following for a while, being insulated from most of reality, produces this result. If it is all about numbers and money it would be a wild ride for about five or ten years till it crashes. He was an abusing thug. Connection ends, shunning begins and the cycle begins all over again with the next batch of newbies. probably just my opinion, and I overgeneralized. Its a measure of arrogance, tweeted retired attorney and flight instructor Jeanne Mann on Sunday with a photo from the gathering. He faces re-election April 7. Youre not trying hard enough! stephen doesnt blameshift, doesnt lose his temper, stays calm. Galatians 5:22-23. I present to you James River church in Springfield Missouri this past weekend. By the way, what do you call a person who tells lies? Gr8 fun. There is a very strong argument for both priests and politicians to have both life and work experience before they enter the fray, however this is the age of the career priest and pollie. "Addressing this topic or the subject of the upcoming vote from the pulpit is not against the law in this country, although it may be in the future," Lindell said in the sermon. Why exiles dont speak out is a strange phenomenon. *carefully targeting pastors who want to build an empire of their own with an easy publicity stunt (although described Christian-like so it actually sounds noble, in both marketing and in the buying pastors self-talk), @ LT: At his height of fame Driscoll was the bad boy of the Christian world. So many use Ches image as some sort of inspirational symbol. One co worker attends and stated that they requested to see W2s and that he tithe accordingly when he was inquiring to become a member. Likewise, in house churches sin happens because people will be people. It was dingy and old. No. I wish I knewits beyond comprehension. I know how hard false teaching is to bear. I think it is perfectly ok to say some people are toxic and avoid them for safety and mental health reasons. LT: Certainly they all hire each other as guest speakers in order to pay large honorariums from tithe dollars that end up in each others personal bank accounts. No I wouldnt allow someone who was an embezzler or criminal back in charge, of course not. (See screen shot from the church website. I think older people ignored the bad boy Driscoll because he seemed to be reaching the young people. i have been ousted from 6 churches already and at first i took it as me being in error and not able to understand the bible or what the Lord had called me to be like but now i am able to see that i can trust the still small voice inside and the Holy Spirit to give me understanding of the scriptures without having to run it by a pastor somewhere. Have you not spilled all your dark secrets at Freedom Ministry? Was Pastor Lindells statement just a slip or an attempt to rewrite history? Good point as far as it goes. So, I read what he wrote, I listened to his speeches, sermons, etc. They worked hard to get where they are and make the assocations that would help them. Ok, I looked up Hillsong because I know in the past theres been a bit of controversy about them. The man can speak pretty well and seems to fill the pews. It is an issue of protecting other people. He doesnt come near to meeting basic societal criteria for a decent person. Driscoll, IMHO, is completely unsuited for any position of authority. Sam, I sincerely hope that nothing Ive written ever makes you rethink your relationship with God. . Its all PR spin, because they got caught with their (or, pardon the metaphor, MDs) pants down. Mega churches are asking people to step back from the reality of how they effect people and just go along with a bunch of rules and covenants and christianeese and let them stay in their positions cause their friends say they are changed. 2023 www.news-leader.com. Seems like the truth being covered, twisted, remade, ignored is what keeps these people in power and LTs post brings the truth as it actually is back to the forefront. ), Warren Throckmorton quickly put up a post on this development and featured the following video. . Ive seen desensitizing have the desired effect and its not pretty. His statement is factually incorrect. We are dedicated to making a difference in the lives of people through relevant teaching, heartfelt worship, and amazing kids & youth programs. Then he stated emphatically: Now let me just say this to you today cause I have no apology for Mark being there; Im glad Marks here. Why is Guidepost Solutions now involved? With this much covidiocy in the country, we are proving ourselves to be the dumbest nation on earth. Yet its everywhere in the US and Australia. Weve got enough local crazy around here, we dont need Mark Driscoll and his He-Man Woman-Hating Circus. Hillsong Church Disinvites Mark Driscoll While James River Church I think that the only way to self regulate is to have benchmarks that people must reach to be in leadership positions. For those who follow celebrities, I dont, this is the church that made it into the news last year. Thats an interesting thought. News articles and such are also greatly appreciated. Plus Driscoll has to be way cheaper than Judah Smith or Carl Lentz, the current kings of radical chic. since we are all clergy??? years ago when non denoms were pentecostal and full gospelit seemed they were trying to get back to the Jesus of the bible, the Living Jesus. plausible they shoved that in jesus mouth, with that taste on his lips. (the death of Jesus on the cross as written in the bible is not enough, mark adds something more exciting and sickening like they shoved an a##-wipe sponge in Jesus mouth.) I also find him vulgar and misogynistic, so I dont see him as ever having been qualified to start with. i think you are addressing the biggest point actually. #driscollreturns paul most influential christian wrote most books this explains marks love of also writing books. Elders thatthat sin are to be rebuke before all, that others also may fear. And we in the real world of Jobs & Lives have to deal with the resulting Speshul Little Snowflakes. The teachings of Christ are based on love and forgiveness, and I will not write off Mark as a person simply because of the things that people have said about him, a small minority of people signing a petition or statements he has made many years ago for which he has since repeatedly apologised, Houston said. If a pastor says anything positive about another pastor, they have something to hide. Its easy to be friendly, humble, attentive, polite, , to your peers and to your superiors. Actually are pews still in general use? Pouring what, exactly? kinda like a person who has been abused i think, they sometimes have to get past that people may judge them for being stupid for falling for it, or they have to reconcile with the results of them speaking out, shunning, slander ie: the church calls them heretics because they dont attend anymore. Your mistake is in assuming that Driscoll was there to deliver a sermon. Most people have more sunk into that cult than they do their homes. Thanks for sharing your answer Lydia. I cannot respect or support these men knowing that they revere such a man as a pastor. what is a person supposed to do? Where David cut the fabric from Sauls garment in the cave, showing he could have killed Saul but didnt, reflects Gods desire that David not physically harm Saul. Actually, they have as much as said that there is a good root (their doctrines/practices that accidentally produced some bad fruit. But Christians are under the New Covenant and the NT calls Christians to expose false teachers, not facilitate their cover ups. A grunge rock Lord Byron mad, bad and dangerous to know. sam wrote: I recently darkened the doors of a very small church in another city. Open Discussion Page. perhaps, assuming cunning strategy on the part of MD and Mark Demoss: *this sector of christainworld is the path of least resistance (especially since from others comments the YRR/reformed world has disowned him). . Yes, I am familiar with Che and what he represents. Seriously? Very simple. Adultery, stealing, cheating, being abusive, being a drunkard can also keep you out of heaven.". Any of all of that may be true. Do you know his history and what he represents? I strongly recommend the brief article by Jon Zens at Searching Together entitled Going to the Root Mark Driscoll and the Celebrity System. "We all have desires that are warped as a result of our fallen nature: pride, selfishness, greed, anger, bitterness, unforgiveness, lust, envy, covetousness, chemical addiction," Lindell said. Remember how everyone always tells Muslims to denounce terrorism and extremism? Only the hero. Did this evil plot involve the use of ninjas or leprechauns? If a pastor makes a statement denying allegations, its a lie. I had been a pastor and fell horribly due to pride, arrogance, self centeredness, fear of man, desire for fame, etc. Great insight. You are so spot on. It shouldnt be about raw numbers of attenders and financial statements if it is a true church. Pokin Around: Mega-church pastor tells members to repeal gay rights law I cant see those photos without also thinking of the images weve all seen of the impossible circumstances our hospitals are battling every day, Goddard began in a series of tweets. Are you not voting for the candidates and issues Gateway told you to? I hope you encourage them to visit TWW. What Im curious though is how the church (corporate) can self regulate against that in the face of the money and power, both spiritual and temporal, that types like MD help create. )(mark is apparently not impressed with peter baptizing 3,000 followers in one day cause peter isnt able to be made into a complementarian I guess), interestingly mark points out how stephen handled it but not how mark handled slight persecution which was actually not persecution but truth leveled against him) Working at James River is never be boring because of the mission that you are pursuing and the amazing things that you get to be a part of. Did he have liveried Armorbearers blowing long trumpets before him to announce how HUMBLE(TM) he was (chuckle chuckle)? Thanks for your help Numo! king does not stand up for you. Dont miss the title of Lindells May 16, 2014 blog entry: My guess is that their Calvinism isnt the root problem here. pure grace are you or have been in similar situation to stephen? I have heard Driscoll in person.. The man can speak pretty well and seems to fill the pews. Somebody cited a study that the most common characteristic of a Sociopath (well over 90%) was successfully Playing the Victim Card when caught. That got my attention as I was reading the comments yesterday evening. After describing the crucifixion of Jesus, Mark Driscoll asks: Who has attacked you? The last time Robert Morris met and greeted anyone as part of his service he still had his braces/retainer on. (WARNING: Includes graphic language), American news sources didn't waste much time alerting their readers of this development. If others havent heard this song yet, give it a try and see what you think. This is what the giving unit is looking for, not God. And i honestly had no idea that that phrase was in there. sponge is used as toilet paper. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.. What Im curious though is how the church (corporate) can self regulate against that in the face of the money and power, both spiritual and temporal, that types like MD help create. Che badgered/shamed the workers that receiving a pat on the back from their boss/comrade for increasing the quota should be enough for them to continue to increase production without any chance of being compensated for it monetarily. I would lay 50 to 1 odds that a change in MD will be announced and proved to be a change in words not a change in behavior! I do hope that nobody is still saying these same things before they clean up their own act. I'm not sure I find that expansion of "serious sin" cheating? @ LT: Good luck to you Sam. Anyone who knowingly overlooks all this has no judgement.
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